The Jubillar case, with maybe a new clue. According to the newspaper The Parisian, Cédric Jubillar’s phone was indeed off the evening of Delphine’s disappearance in December 2020 in Cagnac-les-Mines, and not in airplane mode as he swore. This would have made it possible to trace the movements. “It’s non-information”, reacts this Monday morning, on France Bleu Occitanie, Me Alexandre Martin, the lawyer of Cédric Jubillar.
Your client’s cell phone was turned off the night his wife disappeared when he said he put it on airplane mode. He lied ?
Look, that’s another “non-information”. Cédric Jubillar was able to say that he had put it in airplane mode, and after “I don’t remember”. He is questioned on this point six months later, not the next day. And then, what does it change?
The evening of the disappearance of his companion he turned off his phone, is this not trivial?
When you go to bed what do you do with your phone? I don’t know. Two explanations. First, what does it change? Whether it was turned off or in airplane mode, is this phone revealing anything, has this phone moved? No. Second element, you have an expertise in the file which shows that the battery of this telephone did not work: it could go out, be discharged even though it was plugged in. It was the gendarmes who made the observation. So was it in airplane mode initially, turned off afterwards, we don’t know. It changes absolutely nothing. If this telephone had spoken, if this telephone had moved in the night, in a singular place, then I would understand.
“If this telephone had spoken, if this telephone had moved in the night, in a singular place, then I would understand.”
Except that a switched off phone cannot be geolocated…
But what does it change? We can imagine anything. This man when he goes to bed he turns off his phone. This man when he goes to bed, he puts his phone on airplane mode.
So in no way is this causing trouble again in this case?
For me, it means absolutely nothing. It is clear that this telephone was not working and that it was Delphine who had to wake him up every morning as she usually did. It adds nothing, it takes nothing away. This phone, what we know is that it was off at 10:58 p.m. and back on at 3:53 a.m. when he said it. So whether it was in airplane mode or whether it was turned off, it doesn’t add anything, it’s still non-information in this file.
Your client has been imprisoned for almost ten months in Seysses, in solitary confinement. He always maintains his innocence. Psychiatric and psychological expertise has begun. Are you expecting a lot or not?
I don’t expect much because the psychiatric and psychological expertise will not reveal anything in terms of guilt. Except that we will see that this man is normal, that this man is not perverse, that this man is not calculating. In this sense, they are interesting but it will add nothing to guilt or innocence; or maybe it can add to the innocence because the portrait that is made of this man is very far from reality.
“We will see that this man is normal, that this man is not perverse, that this man is not calculating.”
But his personality is amazing. We have never seen a tearful husband. He chatted casually with some journalists in Cagnac-les-Mines. He told his sister he had committed the perfect crime. Is this all provocation?
I don’t know what it fits into. Perhaps the experts will answer us on this. We have a man who is isolated, who is locked up in Seysses. Maybe sometimes he wants to exist. Perhaps sometimes he makes surprising statements. But what I know today is that you don’t have a body, you don’t have a crime scene and you have absolutely nothing. So if it’s a popularity contest to find out if Mr. Cédric Jubillar is likeable, not likeable, if he has adequate thoughts or not, that can be discussed ad infinitum. But at the level of the evidence, at the level of the guilt of this man, this file still remains empty.
Are you expecting a return of the telephone exchanges that Delphine Jubillar would have had with her lover’s wife? Is this going to be important?
We have already had the opportunity, the defense, to expose incongruities in the use of the telephone between Delphine and the wife of her lover. Investigations I imagine are ongoing. I hope they are because the big problem with this case is that the investigators and the judges only focused their work on the guilt of Mr. Cédric Jubillar to the exclusion of any other hypothesis.
The case has been dissected for nine years. An education lasts on average two years. What happens if something new appears in the file?
If nothing new appears, I dare to hope that this man will be released. And then, at the end of the investigation, it will be up to the magistrates to decide whether or not this man should be tried before an assize court. But at some point we would like the presumption of innocence to be consecrated and that, as in other similar cases, the people who were accused were tried before an assize court, released and twice acquitted.
In the past, we have seen trials without a body, without a weapon, without a confession, without a crime scene. Is this what you imagine for the Jubillar case?
So without a body, without weapons, yes that we have seen. But files without a crime scene are a bit complicated all the same. Because we assume that Delphine is dead. Do not see any provocation in my remarks. We are talking. We still don’t know what happened. Because this file is singular by the absence of body obviously, and especially by the absence of crime scene. Otherwise why do you believe that for months, with great media exposure, the prosecution has been telling us ‘we found traces of blood’ in a car, on the duvet cover. It’s good that they know something is missing.
Can you believe that your client will appear free if there is a trial?
I hope so anyways. I can believe and I’m sure this man is innocent. I hope this man will appear free, if he ever has to appear. And then of course that this man is one day definitively cleared.
You have filed several requests for release, all of which have been rejected. Are you still going to deposit a lot of them?
Yes absolutely since each time we were told that we had to wait for an interrogation, a confrontation, an expertise. Here we are talking about confrontation. We will wait for these acts. And whenever necessary we will file a request for release.
Confrontation with whom? With his mother perhaps?
I do not know. Maybe his mom, maybe the cellmate, I don’t know. In any case, there are still acts that must be done. And at the end of these acts, we will of course file a new request for release (the fifth).